Tough on pay, tough on the causes of pay

Nick Clegg is apparently going to “get tough” on executive pay.

We’ll come back to how in a moment, but let’s look at why; and why not.

First of all the disparity in incomes is going up sharply (with thanks to regular reader Ray Fletcher for this link.)

As I’ve mentioned there is inevitably going to be a wage and wealth disparity in any capitalist society (and societies not based on capital work on status, which gets distributed in a similar way – see Fiske A.P, Structures of Social life, the four elementary forms of human relations).

But how far do you think that disparity can go before you get a breakdown in society?

So that’s a reason “something ought to be done”.

How about the “reward for being useless” argument?

That’s valid too, isn’t it?  After all, the bank executives were paying themselves bonuses, are still doing it, even when they are not making profits.  And it’s the same with any organisation, people generally don’t mind what executives are paid if they are doing a good job.

But that runs into a couple of problems – one of physical laws and one of people.

The physical law is, quite simply, uncertainty.  We don’t really know who is doing well and who isn’t.  Say you take over a big company that’s doing well.  Let’s say you grow business by 5% in real terms.  Is that good?  Well, it depends on what timescale it’s over, what you inherited, what competitors do, what the market as a whole does, etc.  Whatever you claim, from having been a completed duffer to a genius, you can find “evidence” that it’s true.

That’s why evaluating economic performance of organisations, economies, trading blocks etc. is so difficult that nobody can do it until afterwards (and even then, they are guessing, according to the laws of physics).  That’s why Robert Peston can tell us in a TV series where it all went wrong, but he wasn’t there in 2007 telling everybody how to avoid the upcoming crash that he is now explaining in such expert detail in retrospect.

The human problem is our tendency to see all problems as black and white, not infinite shades of grey. However complex the concept and however hard to define, we simplify it to a headline and bandy words interpretable in widely divergent ways as if they had simple, universal, unitary meanings.

With pay we work on the Victorian basis of the “deserving” and “undeserving” (except we’re talking about the rich, they were talking about the poor).

And generally, our black and white definitions are dictated by our political leanings and personal position.

So if we’re a right wing, “Captain of Industry”, we feel that executive pay is a reward for effort.  The only reason people would argue about successful people being paid a lot of money is jealousy.  After all, the argument goes, would you say that Lord Sugar doesn’t earn whatever he wants to pay himself in terms of creation of jobs and wealth – and if you do, I hope you’re prepared to be the one to tell him that you think he’s a parasite.

On the other hand, if we’re a left wing, “professional person with ethics”, we feel that this is about hypocrisy, cronyism and self aggrandisement.  How can it be justifiable that a failed banker is paid 100 times what a nurse is paid or that a successful surgeon who saves lives every day that nobody else could save is paid less than a tenth of a bank CEO who is no different, ethically or professionally with a dozen other bank CEOs?  And if you really feel that Sir Fred Goodwin earned £700,000 a year pension then perhaps you’d explain how to all the public sector strikers over pension rights, since RBS is now effectively in the public sector.

It’s hard to measure success, but that is back to how again.

It’s actually even harder to get people to think beyond their black and white frames of reference.

The fact is that some executives do earn massive rewards, because they do things (in terms of providing jobs and wealth) that other’s cannot do.  And some are massively overrated and have never earned a tenth of what they’ve been paid, they’ve just been lucky enough to be in the right place (a merchant bank not a nursing ward, for example) at the right time (1997 -2007 for example, not 2007 -2011).  And the vast majority are somewhere in between, they sometimes earn a bit more than they are paid, sometimes less, some never earn as much as they are paid, some constantly are under-rewarded.

But that is too complicated a concept for most of us, most of the time.  We rely on statistics.

Statistics are great, but they are a way to collect lots of complex, multi-faceted data into simple, two or three dimensional summaries.  So the average family has 1.8 children.  So we’ll make policy to fit the average family.  The fact that this means that the policy fits no family at all is, if it is thought about at all, seen as a small price to pay for simplifying the problem.

In the same way, the “problem” of executive pay is seen as one of “what is a fair pay” for all of them, as if they are one, homogeneous group rather than an heterogeneous group of individuals in individual situations.

And the other why question is “why would any politician bother”.  As with regulating finances small group theory and the fact that the wealthy are a) likely to have greater power to keep the status quo and b) the people that politicians want to mix with for the day when they are ex-politicians (would you pay £20,000 a day for “consultancy” from Tony Blair based on his business acumen and not his contacts) means that I’m not sure anybody in a position to change things is really going to be motivated to do so – whatever the rhetoric.

As to how – I’m not going to pretend that I know the “answer”.  In fact, I don’t think there is a simple and singular answer.

But there might be a set of answers that we could tease out by discussion.

And a couple of points that could inform that discussion.

There’s very little point in trying to set up rules (like tax rules) to prevent “abuses”. As with the banks, that runs into the poacher and gamekeeper conundrum and experience shows it doesn’t work.  Apart from anything else, you simply start an “arms race” to see who can subvert the rules most effectively.

What we could look at is changing the definition of what “success” means.  As with banks if the rules are changed as to what gets rewarded (it isn’t just profit, it is social value, customer satisfaction etc.) on those organisations where the public have some control then things start to change.

And with competition, the organisations that are private and whose executives set their own pay (with the help of their own “small group”, the executives running the funds that own most of the shares) will potentially be forced to follow suit or become uncompetitive and potentially very obviously undeserving of huge rewards.

But overall, we must recognise that we need solutions that don’t assume a simple, “they are parasites” or “they are engines of progress” view.  That recognise that people and situations are unique, not uniform.  That take account of the reality of measuring “success” in terms of the future, not simply the past.  And that recognise the motivations and human characteristics of the executives, the regulators and the people.

After all, we’re dealing with people.  And if some of them behave like angels or devils some of the time, it doesn’t stop them actually being people all of the time.

More from Mindful Money:

Incentives to rescue the UK economy

Does political climate effect your investment strategy?

To receive our free email newsletter sign up here.

This entry was posted in Banking Reform, Income, Leadership, Management. Bookmark the permalink.
  • LeeM

    I think Kim has hit the nail on the head:
    And the other why question is “why would any politician bother”.  As with regulating finances small group theory and the fact that the wealthy are a) likely to have greater power to keep the status quo and b) the people that politicians want to mix with for the day when they are ex-politicians (would you pay £20,000 a day for “consultancy” from Tony Blair based on his business acumen and not his contacts) means that I’m not sure anybody in a position to change things is really going to be motivated to do so – whatever the rhetoric.
    and
    There’s very little point in trying to set up rules (like tax rules) to prevent “abuses”. As with the banks, that runs into the poacher and gamekeeper conundrum and experience shows it doesn’t work.  Apart from anything else, you simply start an “arms race” to see who can subvert the rules most effectively.
    Or am I just increasingly becoming a pessimist!

  • Anonymous

    No, Lee, you are not becoming a pessimist merely stating the obvious (to me at least). When people (irrespective of their level in society) become overly satisfied with the status quo there is little or no impetus to change. Humans are strange animals in that they perceive inequality but as long as they, in their own little world, are not involved then they will turn away and “play the sheep”. It will need an enormous effort from all strata to change the ever-widening gap between “them” and “us”. 

  • Kim

    Thanks LeeM and Ray, it’s great to know it makes sense to at least some people! 
    I think it is easy to be pessimistic/realistic about the prospects of change but there are perhaps a couple of things that can be done by intelligent people who do care. 

    If we could start to inject a bit more realism into both the post hoc analysis and the predictions it might influence the wider dabate by forcing people to remember that the laws of physics dictate that we not only can’t predict a system like a market or company within it, but that we can’t even fully explain “why” it happened precisely as it did. That would take us a bit nearer to having people recognise that measuring success narrowly as “we bring in billions so we deserve millions” is not a terribly convincing argument – but “we create tens of thousands of jobs, have people clamouring to work for us, contribute millions to charity and environmental action and we also make billions” is a pretty good one! 

    And as there is rhetoric, there is at least a pretense of doing something.  Although trying to be heavy handed fails, looking at the totality of how success is rewarded in the public sector would be a start, and it is something that people can influence at the ballot box.  After all, with the 100,000 signature petition idea, we could potentially force a debate, and if one MP was on the side of the angels and spoke up for making a broader definition, the Osborne’s etc. who prefer to talk about getting tough rather than doing it would be exposed and have to react either by starting to discuss extending it from “makes shedloads of money which any muppet in that job could do” or to stand up in the House and try to defend the existing “rewards for being in the right place at the right time” stance.

  • Anonymous

    Fully agree Kim. When I was in the position of being a (quite senior) manager I would always insist on getting feedback from those  primarily at the “receiving end” of the efforts of my staff. When they asked why and in what form, I replied that I wanted “the good, the bad and the ugly” since only by knowing this could a) I award individuals according to their results b) I could discipline those who were slacking and c) learn for the future. Eventually everyone was “on message” and understood that  the could not be rewarded merely for “showing up” but for tangible good done to those who were our customers.

  • Justin Mungal

    good article Kim
    you have hit the nail on the head, people in the UK and west in general are fearful for the most part and not greedy.  The blatant inequality in wage disparity is not jealous resentment for the most part; but is in infact a newfound acquired taste based on the climate of failure to crack down on wilful neglect and instead rewarding certain failing persons or institutions.
     
    In the west we believed that our countries were better in terms of quality of life compared to the east, due to the apparent fair-play in our society, economy and politics.  It’s more complicated than that anyway but it’s only now that people are beginning to see how the wool has and was pulled over their eyes for decades due to something which never really bothered us in decades past – Debt!.  Yes, the debt has opened our eyes now to what has been going on in the past and all it’s intricacies linked in with energy-security geo-politics and general western intervention globally to live off of the backs of the east.

    It’s very obvious that the current status-quo has run it’s course and we really need a new party that understands and feels the sentiments you raise in your article Kim as it’s pretty obvious the main 2-party system can in no way suffice; it’s a case of well, you can’t teach an old dog new tricks and the current political class is too set in it’s way’s and life-style to even think about enacting the critical reforms to ensure stability going forward.

    Therefore change must and will occur someday but it’ll defnitely be a bottom-up approach so don’t expect any offers from the top in this mess as current political, economic and societal conventions are well and truly entrenched.

    You’ve just basically got to tell people that having too much is not necessary because that is what this all about.  Certain wealthy people and institutions are ruining it for the rest of us (who manage to make-do on meagre portions of the pie) in order that they can amass as much of this wealth that will see them through the best part of the end of this century and possibly much longer.  Offcourse this idea does have it’s parallels with the non-elites’ who need to live within their means too but I’m not going to dwell too much on this because I don’t think it’s fair to shunt too much of the blame on this class of people as they are not as blameworthy as the so-called ‘elites’.

    Once this notion of getting-by on less starts to pervades peoples’ thoughts their notions about what it means to be wealthy will change and they’ll realise that they don’t need much to have true peace of mind; then they will stop hoarding wealth sitting on it like a cobra and lusting after power.

    Also to Ray Fletcher – yes, something really does need to be done about the ‘selfish’ sentiment which you so aptly describe about the certain class of people who are neither here or there and content to play along with the system, until it kicks them in their faces and then they start moaning – but too late because you should have planned for the fallout earlier!  Education and awareness is key here and although there isn’t a shortage of bright individuals, their voices are not getting into the mainstream as much as they or the people deserve for one reason or another. 
    Mostly we hear about these great ideas only on the internet in various blogs and other serious avenues or a rare occasion when someone gives an interview on some tv channel.  This stuff we all know about needs to go public quite urgently and enmasse (not easy I know so going to have to improvise) as I’m sure we’re all aware by now and these occupy protests are a start.  What would really give them a boost is if prominent individuals were to join and actually give a face to these movements with a clear, coherent and true agenda.  Because despite what we hear about the power anonymity associated with a faceless group actually being a strength of such a movement, it just confuses people I believe.
    Although, I’m not sure how readily people will take up this challenge now that the government has decided to brand these groups as terrorists.  It’s an upside down world indeed.   

       

  • Critic Al Rick

    Hi Kim

    Very interesting article and very interesting (first 5, at least) comments.

    But since the debate appears to overlook one or two opinions which I consider highly relevant I would like to add them into the arena:

    1) mature democracy is rife with corruption – politicians, who should ideally have been looking after the best long term interests of the majority, have betrayed us (‘sold us down thr river’) whilst ‘feathering their own nests’.

    2) because of the above we now have an elite (oliogarchy) who not only have a very strong influence over certain facets of govt but also appear to be largely above the law to include operating businesses as pseudo cartels and, indeed, virtual monopolies.

    3) pseudo cartels succeed (to their operatives) via ‘honour amongst thieves’ – they operate mock competition above certain agreed threshholds.

    4) neither monopolies or cartels are conducive to maximum efficiency of operation.

    5) so we have CEOs of pseudo cartels and virtual monopolies running businesses which would (probably) be run far more efficiently in a truly competitive environment; but not only would the businesses be more efficiently run, the CEOs would by necessity have to be truly competitive with their (and their staff’s) remuneration.

    I am saying that these particular CEOs would deserve their remuneration if they were operating within a truly competitive business environment. But then they wouldn’t be taking nearly as much, nor would many of their staff, nor would we be subject to the greed of ‘rip-off Britain’.

    I’m afraid, unless the elite have a suitable paradigm shift in morality (highly unlikely), it isn’t a situation we are going to remedy, if at all, without a (bloody) revolution. In any event, the future doesn’t look rosey.

  • Justinmungal

    The only remedy is when the police/military lay down their arms for the people and against the wishes of their master employers.  But that’ll never happen due to what myself and Ray Fletcher alluded to in our replies above regarding the ‘selfish’ sentiment of those who would rather get along with the system as it isn’t currently affecting them, until it does.  Why would individuals back out of a job where prospective pay can quickly rise to 50K+ along with the other perks on top..
    The police or law enforcement is one of those departments I see getting minimal cuts as all this talk of a bloody revolution is bound to get government spending on more man power and sophisticated tehnology to route out any potential resistance – oh yeah, politicians plan very well ahead when it’s their own neck on the line but forget new and efficient infrastructure which young people need in order to pay back the debts that they took out on our behalf!

    Infact just the other day I was reading about police forces acquiring electric powered vehicles and a charging station back at their HQ’s; so if anyone’s going to be mobile and able to get around around, ducking and diving, it’ll be the elites along with their bodyguard’s while the rest of society implodes. 

      Paradigm shift in morality! –  that actually made me chuckle because things have got to such a state that all you can do is laugh, as has been made known to me, this is what people do in times like these.

  • Critic Al Rick

    I agree with your comments regarding the police/military.

    It occured to me decades ago that we were being manoeuvred towards what Russia was moving away from.

    Laughable? Well, I’m not laughing about the direction in which we are being steered.

    I laugh about how utterly mad humanity is! Funny old world, isn’t it?

  • Kim

    Hi Guys,

    Sorry, long delay in replying as I had food poisening!

    I largely agree, but I’d say, Critic Al Rick, in my defence that I didn’t overlook those points.  I just don’t see the point in saying – “the situation is hopeless”.  Not so much because I’m an optimist, but because I don’t want to get branded as an Enoch Powell figure by quoting the Roman and seeing “the River Tiber flowing with much blood”, etc.

    I agree that it is hard to see any solution that doesn’t involve revolution, cries of “a la lanterne” and the storming of Downing Street (with or without the military, whose help, subsequent to the defence cuts would be pretty insignificant for either side).  But generally I try to suggest ways that people can have some influence – albeit small and unlikely to make an impact, rather than suggest revolution because apart from all the bloodshed, revolutions are necessarily about a concept of absolute “good or evil” - and that isn’t the way I see the world.

    After all, are we saying that, given that we were in charge we wouldn’t want to stay that way, that we wouldn’t favour our friends, punish our enemies (like the politicians, undeserving CEOs) etc.?  It’s made worse by the old adage that the last person that you want in charge is the person who wants to be – what you want is somebody leading who has no desire to lead, because they won’t be corrupted by power.  The problem is, they will never get given it, because all of the rest of us want it for ourselves!  And if any of us did give up our personal power, would we want to be branded with the “reactionaries” who should be first up against the wall when the revolution comes, or would we want some recognition that not every “leader” is a devil and not every revolutionary is an angel – we’d say we’re all just people.

    So on the whole I’d like to find a way to push us all towards a better system, without having to brush up on my old cadet force training and remembering how to fields trip an Armalite!

  • Critic Al Rick

    Hi Kim

    I hope you have fully recovered by now.

    You didn’t overlook those points but they are very relevant. The ‘playing field’ is well distorted in the favour of a minority and continues to be distorted even further, even in these times of economic turmoil largely caused by members of that minority; indeed, if you think about it, the distortion is self-perpetuating and, characteristically, advancing exponentially.

    Intervention by (self-serving) politicians will, as usual, do little more than pay lip service; seen to be doing ‘something’ seems to be considered adequate political expedience.

    Exponential trends, without suitable intervention, always end dramatically. Has Enoch Powell been proven wrong?

    As I said: I’m afraid, unless the elite have a paradigm shift in morality [suitable intervention], it isn’t a situation we are going to remedy [via politicians], if at all, without a (bloody) revolution [dramatic end to an exponential trend]. In any event [unless you don't consider it an evil for us to be steered into a modern feudal system], the future doesn’t look rosey.

    I don’t wish for the revolution; but history has a habit of repeating itself and a wish for it not to seems optimistically futile.

    At the risk of being controversial (!), in the longer term I think it would be in the best interests of the majority for the world to experience a deflationary depression and for capitalism to play out fairly. Not what the powers-that-be would like!